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Possible US Government iPhone-Hacking Toolkit in foreign spy and criminal hands (wired.com)
3h ago by alwillis 140 points 39 comments
oxfeed65261 2h ago
auslegung 0m ago
> In total, Coruna takes advantage of 23 distinct vulnerabilities in iOS, a rare collection of hacking components that suggests it was created by a well-resourced, likely state-sponsored group of hackers.

People have been hacking iOS since before it was called iOS and they weren't necessarily "well-resourced, likely state-sponsored". See geohot

stock_toaster 32m ago
With this administration? Color me unsurprised.
happyopossum 2h ago
"Possible" stripped from the headline on HN. That word seems particularly important given that it's speculative:

"Clues suggest it was originally built for the US government."

tptacek 1h ago
The Google threat analysis report doesn't say anything about USG involvement; that it was found on compromised Ukrainian sites, has code written in "native English", but also signs of LLM authorship. The Google report says the kit they found can't compromise current iOS, which is a capability you'd assume USG would have --- though it's important remember that "USG" comprises dozens of different buyers each with different toolchains.

Maybe this was the Fisheries Department exploit toolkit.

iVerify, which spun out of Trail of Bits and presumably knows what they're talking about, says it bears "hallmarks" of being connected to USG CNE work. I believe it. But the USG is on net a buyer, not a producer, of CNE tooling. Whatever a given service agency or IC arm buys, dozens of other aligned countries are also buying.

(And, of course, the non-aligned countries have their own commercial supply chains).

bri3d 1h ago
I don't think the ancient nature of the exploit chain has much bearing on the origin. I think it points away from the actual 2025 campaigns being USG-attached, but I don't think anyone was suggesting that to start with - the Google report makes it pretty clear that they believe the same code was resold to several parties, either in parallel or sequentially, around this time frame.

I think the notion here is that either:

* There's a shared upstream origin or author between this toolkit and the Operation Triangulation toolkit ahead of the use in Operation Triangulation (ie - someone sold this chain to both the Operation Triangulation authors and a third party). I actually think that the uses of specifically structured code-names internally and the overall structure of the codebase described in the Google writeup make this theory less likely; building an exploit toolkit while using these practices to cosplay as a US-government affiliated engineer would be clever and fun, but it's not something we've really seen before.

* This toolkit originated from (whether it was leaked, compromised, or resold) the same actor who was responsible for Operation Triangulation.

tptacek 25m ago
Right, I agree with you; my thing is mostly just differentiating between CNE enablement packages the USG itself creates vs CNE enablement packages that are on offer to every USG-aligned country, of which there are a bunch.
dang 1h ago
The title limit is 80 chars, if anyone wants to figure out a decent way to squeeze possibility back in there.
irishcoffee 55m ago
A US Govt iPhone-hacking suite is now possibly in criminal hands

15 chars to spare!

dang 53m ago
I think the "possibly" is supposed to mean "possibly produced by the US government"
irishcoffee 50m ago
Good point.
alwa 58m ago
“Possible US-Gov-made iPhone-hacking toolkit is now in foreign and criminal hands“ ?
dang 53m ago
We try to avoid abbreviations if possible. You spurred me to take another crack at it and I think it worked this time? Happy to edit again if not...
Simulacra 1h ago
Good point, that was also struck by the comment that it's infected "tens of thousands" phones. That's a minuscule rounding error.
aaron695 40m ago
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mentalgear 2h ago
How could something as sensitive get out of an administration as competent as the current one? At least they have no access to lets say AI or autonomous weapons and the tools of mass surveillance ...
grosswait 31m ago
The constant injection of political view points on hn is becoming exhausting
theearling 2h ago
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theearling 2h ago
lol at all the downvotes, proves my point
jjtheblunt 2h ago
you're just on a technical site, so readers want citations for conjectures, because the readers generally and genuinely want to learn more

edit: sibling comment agrees

theearling 1h ago
I guess the technical side is for the bots to find holes in my argument. Anyone with a brain in tech that knows of the US and it's invasion into privacy knows that the US having an iOS "Hacking Toolkit" is nightmare fuel.

I already assumed it did, just glad Wired put it down on paper for the rest of us.

Writing an article that "it's escaped the hands of the US government and into the hands of foreign hands" doesn't change my opinion of the abuse of power.

Citation: Edward Snowden - Present Day (Flock, etc)

chucklenorris 1h ago
heh, saying hitler was a war criminal requires citations?
kvuj 2h ago
I think the downvotes come from the friction of the language used and the lack of sources to back the claim. If you linked some stories, it would add some weight to the statement.
seanw444 2h ago
How many people on this site are unaware of the amount of times the government's courts have found its executive, legislative, (and lower judicial) branches acting without authority?

How many people on this site are unaware of the extent to which we are monitored? And openly? We have an entire agency whose primary task is to mass surveil.

ranger_danger 1h ago
I think all the things are true at the same time... that most people already believe it, they don't need sources in this instance, but they still don't like the way the comment was worded.
pak9rabid 2h ago
Have we already forgotten about Edward Snowden & the NSA?
thewebguyd 1h ago
Unfortunately, I think that's likely the case for anyone on the younger side. Most of that came to light in 2013, 13 years ago. Anyone 20-30 years old today would've been a teenager then in high school, and likely not paying attention very closely.

It was big news for a little bit, and then the media by design quickly forgot about it barely a year later, and that is why history is doomed to repeat.

doctorpangloss 2h ago
the government doesn't have superpowerful code crackers though

it has a guy working at apple who introduces the subtle vulnerability he is instructed to do

tptacek 1h ago
I expect the evidence for this claim is axiomatic, which is to say that you think it sounds good.
joshrw 47m ago
Hello, have you heard of the Snowden revelations? What OP was referring to are called bugdoors.
doctorpangloss 50m ago
haha yeah, thanks for the compliment
lightedman 1h ago
No, anyone who remembers the Best Buy/FBI debacle knows that this statement is very well-grounded in reality. If you took your laptop to Best Buy for repairs, the FBI got a copy of your hard drive contents.
majorchord 54m ago
Source:
8cvor6j844qw_d6 56m ago
Yeah. TAO was intercepting Cisco routers in transit and installing implants.

The leap from supply chain interdiction to cooperative insiders isn't a big one.

thesuitonym 1h ago
Those two are not mutually exclusive.
everdrive 1h ago
No matter the risk, I must carry my smartphone everywhere and install every app. It would be unimaginable to have the urge to look something up, but then wait to do it later until I'm using a real computer. No negative outcome will EVER shake my deep, permanent need to carry a smartphone all the time and use it for as much as possible.
theearling 1h ago
Webapps exist for a reason, they don't get all the special permissions apps get when fully installed.

at the very least use a VPN / more secure phone like a pixel with graphene

You keep doing you though

thesuitonym 1h ago
A VPN won't help you if your device is compromised. A VPN won't help you if the server is compromised. A VPN won't help you if the VPN is compromised.

I really wish people would understand that VPNs are not magical, unbreakable security. VPNs are barely security at all, and commercial VPNs even less so.

theearling 50m ago
oh 100% agree here, I was just confused at the OP comments evangelism of installing and keeping his phone on his for those quick fix google searches
thewebguyd 1h ago
Ironically, the exploits in this leaked kit all involved flaws in webkit, so you'd have been safer sticking to native apps assuming they didn't have any webviews in them to load the malicious site.
SpaceManNabs 50m ago
WebView is the worst experience I have on any smart phone or mobile app.

The fact that there is no option so that any webview by default opens in safari across all app in ios is horrible.

i am not surprised it is riddled with security holes.